From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Raw" string literals for elisp Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 18:45:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4209edd83cfee7c84b2d75ebfcd38784fa21b23c.camel@crossproduct.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20890"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers , Anna Glasgall , Stefan Monnier To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 08 18:47:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mO0j5-000580-L7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 18:47:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO0j4-0007e7-Hc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 12:47:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO0hl-0006nz-7N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 12:45:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1439c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.39]:49492 helo=mail264c50.megamailservers.eu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO0hi-0005mw-MV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 12:45:44 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1631119534; bh=UQVGedpF3/jQy6RXJYXwAdRNe02GYVgLW6yTNNoAd1I=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=PbzRMXaNhEVrmnsfz8WK51dE6ETW3I3s+1tcODcISAvAj6hLWrulhxByED4oKxVmR Tom22Tx5qTtiWwT6Jvk4ebrfeCj9CAJYk81hHAahBHkJlG7t+7jUex4faXdVRfCe0i Z2fWJNBgXSWf15wRx7bYUE1dNT9TzioH5hSwofeI= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.tele2.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail264c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 188GjUXx020478; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 16:45:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F27.6138E8AE.0029, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.4 cv=HoQVp2fS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6138e8ae a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=xRGsxhMNswLbBy1wpYoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=91.136.14.39; envelope-from=mattiase@acm.org; helo=mail264c50.megamailservers.eu X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274373 Archived-At: 8 sep. 2021 kl. 17.41 skrev Stefan Kangas : > But ELisp is also intended for end-users that want to hack together > some quick command. They may be completely uninterested in spending > even a minimum of time to learn rx, and prefer instead to use the more > standard form they already know so they can just get their job done. New reader syntax isn't something to be added lightly. Shouldn't there = be a better reason than a belief that some people may be unwilling to = learn already existing facilities of the language, especially when those = are superior to the proposed addition? > I'm not even sure that rx is the unequivocal first choice among > hardcore ELisp programmers. Their loss then. (And good to know I'm not hardcore!) It's unfortunate that we've spent the last 50 years teaching generations = of programmers that regexps are strings and they use backslashes, to the = point that many actually believe it. Failure of education, and lack of = proper tools!