From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Add discussion of input focus handling to select-window; add select-frame-window Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:23:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5A30E9AF.2060105@gmx.at> <5A317FAA.3090209@gmx.at> <83d13iv095.fsf@gnu.org> <83bmj2ugok.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2rxt6jx.fsf@gnu.org> <83374asjy4.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rswgnu@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0828a8fc450bdc056078626b" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513445097 27126 195.159.176.226 (16 Dec 2017 17:24:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 16 18:24:48 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGCc-0006Fu-Vr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:24:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGCj-0001th-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:24:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42019) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGC2-0001tc-Ua for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:24:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGBx-0004Wg-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:24:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGBx-0004WT-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:43283) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eQGBx-0007FX-1x; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-f169.google.com with SMTP id w10so15640666qtb.10; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 09:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIn86f+bLeui182s1/0Gcck1YYkSgW7Y5LGJN864TKCrEzjkLud 2buzx02pB1qecvtVUCQ83xBoczaP6GyXDohsx1o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBov7OfDClsyjMzpMQu6xIMsEW+zex9ri3IZQsPgBP5e7C+iLmK7vo+9cHP+vgkUa6JBCS4EheCMMbgKNA5wEpj0= X-Received: by 10.200.19.11 with SMTP id e11mr22201480qtj.62.1513445044586; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 09:24:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.200.55.124 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 09:23:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83374asjy4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221138 Archived-At: --089e0828a8fc450bdc056078626b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > And they don't need to look up frame- and focus-related documentation, > as long as they only need to select a window. What you needed is to > select another frame, select another window on that frame, and make > sure that frame is at the top of the z-order. That has very little to > do with selecting a window, and much more to do with frames and input > focus -- and those topics are described in the docs under their proper > subjects. > =E2=80=8BI largely agree with the above now and spoke to this in one of my last messages=E2=80=8B where I talked about combining lower-level concepts into one area of documentation so user input can be directed to a specific window and that window's frame can be seen on screen in its entirety. =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > I could support some gentle notes in the ELisp manual's node > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > "Selecting Windows", where it already mentions frames. But doc > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > strings are inappropriate for references to almost unrelated subjects, > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > nor for general descriptions of complex topics. > =E2=80=8BOkay, thanks. Bob =E2=80=8B --089e0828a8fc450bdc056078626b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Dec 16, 2= 017 at 11:42 AM, Eli Zaretskii <e= liz@gnu.org> wro= te:
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And they don't need to look up frame- and focus-related document= ation,
as long as they only need to select a window.=C2=A0 What you needed is to select another frame, select another window on that frame, and make
sure that frame is at the top of the z-order.=C2=A0 That has very little to=
do with selecting a window, and much more to do with frames and input
focus -- and those topics are described in the docs under their proper
subjects.

=E2=80=8BI largely agree with the abov= e now and spoke to this in
one of my last messages=E2=80=8B where I talked= about combining
lower-level concepts into one area of documentation so
u= ser input can be directed to a specific window and that
window's frame= can be seen on screen in its entirety.

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
I could support some gentle notes in the= ELisp manual's node
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
"Selecting Windows", where it = already mentions frames.=C2=A0 But doc
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
strings are inappropriate for references= to almost unrelated subjects,
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
nor for general descriptions of complex = topics.

=E2=80=8BOkay, thanks.

Bob
=E2= =80=8B

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