From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MELPA issues - Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:05:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016163345.GD3216@protected.rcdrun.com> <7f300e5d-2421-4817-bc6b-efed1f1b32af@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D43027E3-83CD-4533-B27B-C0114DCC5703"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39020"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jean Louis , "rms@gnu.org" , "thibaut.verron@gmail.com" , Marcel Ventosa , EMACS development team , Dmitry Gutov To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 07:07:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeQx-000A1t-AF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 07:07:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56054 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeQw-0002SM-Bx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeQ1-0001cE-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:06:15 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu ([18.9.28.58]:49113) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTePx-0002Oc-8g; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:06:13 -0400 Original-Received: from w92exedge3.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE3.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.15]) by outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 09H55vIO020065; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) by w92exedge3.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:05:55 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:05:58 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:05:58 -0400 Thread-Topic: MELPA issues - Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Thread-Index: AQHWnYhtCfixFL4n4E+mFeu17KEJU6mOn74lgAGLiYCAAbeIdYAAZ3qAgABMNwCAAAuxgIAAm1IQgABbIICAABmhAIAACCSAgAEzeReAAF06AIAEW2I0gABlY4CAALBYgIAAGtWAgABAboCAACavQYAATnOAgAABxgA= In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.58; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/17 00:31:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257909 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_D43027E3-83CD-4533-B27B-C0114DCC5703 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C48A29BA-CA98-4D46-9302-DC0F38811EFF" --Apple-Mail=_C48A29BA-CA98-4D46-9302-DC0F38811EFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 However, I do need to use GitHub to open a Pull Request to add the receipt.=20 As someone pointed out, one workaround might be just email the MELPA maintainers. I=E2=80=99ve never tried that myself. > On Oct 17, 2020, at 12:59 AM, chad wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:20 PM Richard Stallman > wrote: > > As a package writer, my main concern is that > > it seems that the package submission process > > require proprietary software (particularly non-free > > JavaScript by m$ Github). >=20 > What I would do, in that situation, is not submit my package to Melpa. >=20 > Meanwhile, this aspect of Melpa is an additional reason not to do > anything to lead people to use Melpa. >=20 > This seems to be based on the incorrect assumption that package = authors must use GitHub to use MELPA. According to the MELPA docs: >=20 > MELPA supports git , github = , gitlab , and hg = (Mercurial) [...] > :url specifies the URL of the version control repository. required for = the git, and hg fetchers. [...] > :repo specifies the github or gitlab repository and is of the form = user/repo-name. required for the github and gitlab fetchers. > =20 > Digging in a bit further, MELPA used to also support EmacsWiki, which = it deprecated for security concerns, and Bazaar, CVS, Darcs, Fossil and = Subversion, which it deprecated due to lack of use. >=20 > ~Chad --Apple-Mail=_C48A29BA-CA98-4D46-9302-DC0F38811EFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 However, I do need to use GitHub to open a Pull Request to = add
the receipt. 

As someone pointed out, one workaround = might be just email the MELPA
maintainers. I=E2=80=99= ve never tried that myself.

On Oct 17, 2020, at 12:59 AM, = chad <yandros@gmail.com> wrote:

On = Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:20 PM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
  > As a package = writer, my main concern is that
  > it seems that the package submission process
  > require proprietary software (particularly non-free
  > JavaScript by m$ Github).

What I would do, in that situation, is not submit my package to = Melpa.

Meanwhile, this aspect of Melpa is an additional reason not to do
anything to lead people to use Melpa.

This seems to be based = on the incorrect assumption that package authors must use GitHub to use = MELPA. According to the MELPA docs:

 MELPA supports git, github, gitlab, = and hg (Mercurial) [...]
:url specifies the URL of the version control = repository. required = for the git, = and hg fetchers. = [...]
:repo specifies the github or gitlab repository and is of the = form user/repo-name. required = for the github and gitlab fetchers.
 
Digging in a bit further, MELPA used to also support = EmacsWiki, which it deprecated for security concerns, = and Bazaar, CVS, Darcs, Fossil and Subversion, which it deprecated = due to lack of use.

~Chad

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