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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247472 Archived-At: > On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Simen Heggest=C3=B8yl = wrote: >=20 > Stefan Monnier writes: >=20 >> For the record, I have a proof-of-concept package for GNU ELPA which >> I call `gnu-elpa` and which just adds "most" of the autoloads found = in >> GNU ELPA packages (along with the corresponding changes to >> `auto-mode-alist`), such that `M-x eglot` or opening a smalltalk file >> will prompt the user if they want to install the corresponding = package. >>=20 >> It's not as good as activating `eglot` and `company`, but I think = such >> a `gnu-elpa` package should ideally be bundled with Emacs-28. >=20 > That sounds really nice. >=20 > =E2=80=94 Simen >=20 I like the idea. If I open a Racket file in VSCode, it show a prompt = that asks me if I want to search the =E2=80=9Cmarket place=E2=80=9D for = a racket plugin. If I click yes and click install, everything magically = works. Now my racket buffer has completion, highlight, etc. For more = popular languages like python, VSCode even auto detects for linters and = python executables, etc. And with one click it finds (or downloads) = linters and executables and sets them up for me. Maybe it is hard to = make Emacs as pretty as VSCode (with all the fancy visual web tech); but = making Emacs smarter and more helpful should be a tractable task. We = already have Customize, all we need to do next is to add some smart = helper functions that install packages and setup stuff.=20 Yuan=