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[174.60.229.153]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o43sm1810355qtc.23.2020.04.23.08.32.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83o8rickso.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::742; envelope-from=casouri@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x742.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::742 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247596 Archived-At: > On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:04:13 -0700 >> From: Ahmed Khanzada >> Cc: Po Lu , >> S=C3=A9bastien Gendre , >> =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 , >> Emacs developers >>=20 >> Let's say tomorrow Emacs is like VS Code running Emacs Lisp in a = Guile >> VM. Is the idea that if we compete in the same modes as the modernist >> editors, we can steal enough people from them that we will advance = the >> cause of free software? >=20 > More users generally means more contributors, more future developers, > and better Emacs. And yes, it advances the cause of Free Software, > like any other free package that attracts users. >=20 Exactly. New users today means people fixes bugs and implement cool = features tomorrow. A very good deal. Yuan=