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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org>,
	"'Juanma Barranquero'" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' <eliz@gnu.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, mark.lillibridge@hp.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042]
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:44:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C43F5679F50E4C4E809E5BE55CFB067B@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aat1b2sr.fsf@mail.jurta.org>

> > For the same reason that the narrowing stack that Drew 
> > proposes could be useful: if I'm reading an Info node, my
> > narrowing/widening shouldn't interfere with the use of narrowing
> > by Info-mode, because that's just an artifact of its
> > implementation. Being able to do M-x widen in an Info node
> > and seeing the whole buffer is IMO a "bug"
> > because it destroys the abstraction.
> 
> I agree that user commands (with the prefix map `C-x n') should not
> widen or narrow the Info buffer outside of the current Info node.
> Only some low-level functions should be allowed to do this.

That's going too far, IMO. As Eli will perhaps point out (see bug #5839), there
are reasons that some users will want to widen Info buffers.

More generally, we should not remove `widen' as a command, even if in only some
contexts. Likewise, `narrow'. What we should do is provide more user control
(not less), possibly by creating a `widen-one-level' command as I suggested
earlier.

As I suggested in the thread for bug #5839, one way to at least not encourage
user narrowing when that might get users (especially newbies) into trouble,
would be to inhibit the activation of the `Narrow' lighter in the mode line (the
lighter would still be shown but would not act as a widening button).






  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-18 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-15 18:47 Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042] Mark Lillibridge
     [not found] ` <jwvd4068dsr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-11 22:22   ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-12  2:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-17  1:57       ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-17  7:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 14:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-17 15:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 19:51               ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-17 21:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 21:17                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-17 21:31                     ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 18:15                       ` widen-one-level [was: Emacs's handling of line numbers] Drew Adams
2010-04-18 21:31                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-19  0:25                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 23:30                         ` Davis Herring
2010-04-19 19:57                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-19 20:22                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 22:52                             ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-19  1:56                         ` Leo
2010-04-19  2:04                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 11:34                             ` Leo
2010-04-19 16:31                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 17:57                               ` Leo
2010-04-19 22:56                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-22  9:59                                   ` Leo
2010-04-18  3:12                     ` Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042] Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18  3:49                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18  8:05                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-18 13:44                           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-04-18 13:50                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-18 16:40                               ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 14:03                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18 14:14                               ` David Kastrup
2010-04-18 16:41                               ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 17:03                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18 21:29                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-18 13:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 17:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 17:52                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18 17:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 17:00                       ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-18 17:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 18:11                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-22  2:17                           ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-22  8:06                             ` David Kastrup
2010-04-22  8:38                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22  8:45                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-06 18:18                             ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-07  1:30                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07  1:41                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-07 13:45                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-09  2:20                                     ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-09  3:44                                       ` Miles Bader
2010-06-09  2:19                                 ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-09  6:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-24  2:24                                     ` Mark Lillibridge

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