From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:00:59 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10152"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android To: emacs-devel@gnu.org,Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 09:02:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVMw-0002YO-9e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:02:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56192 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVMv-0000jU-CA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVLt-0000HL-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:01:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVLt-0000Rk-48; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:01:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [2a02:14f:1ff:3699::a188:9874] (port=55892) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVLr-0000BG-RP; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:01:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257346 Archived-At: On October 11, 2020 9:35:39 AM GMT+03:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > > We cannot just switch to variable-pitch font and leave the rest > > unchanged=2E Using a variable-pitch font will cause an annoying > > horizontal movement of the mode-line stuff when some parts change=2E > > For example, moving in the buffer will change the column and line > > numbers, and everything to the right of that will as result shift > > slightly in the horizontal direction=2E >=20 > The line numbers aren't that big a problem -- the number of digits > rarely change, and all the numbers are the same size in most variable > pitch fonts that are in use for this stuff=2E >=20 > I don't use column number mode, but I switched it on now, and that > seems > fine to me, too=2E The number of digits in the line number can change a lot if you jump to an= other place with M-g g or C-x C-x or some other similar command=2E And what about the "All/Top/Bot/NN%" part? And then there are optional displays, like display-time-mode etc=2E In any case, I wouldn't rely on what you see with some subset of fonts, th= is is a general feature we are talking about=2E > > So to use variable pitch fonts here (and in any other tabjlar > > display), we'd need to use 'align-to' display properties to keep the > > other parts from moving=2E >=20 > After playing with this stuff for half an hour, the only thing that > seemed vaguely disturbing was the U:** stuff at the start=2E Adding an > align-to after that would get us most of the way there, I think=2E I rather think we should use align-to for all the fields=2E Half-measures= will come back to bite us down the road=2E