From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 17:21:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444080097 25167 80.91.229.3 (5 Oct 2015 21:21:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org developers" To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 05 23:21:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjDCC-0000Ph-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:21:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47813 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjDCB-0002XX-L5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:21:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjDC7-0002UM-Kv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:21:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjDC4-0001Dy-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]:33145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZjDC4-0001Do-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: by qgev79 with SMTP id v79so161633255qge.0 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:21:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=aXB6FBjsCVSXCKalagQNROEfKLkabyJfy/g56a12uXE=; b=WZei7MrAHyKQaJQfVjX1f0BRDw+qQsr4xCIf2GmUvSdJCjSs6rJvq8GNTkGTh9hPgU D5hPJ6osEAdcAiKawbUW20f20OFkY5lyyj31WMuBk9TkhHxs2pYR7H1MrS64KciXDdBN Tutn0HNcuKooNi7cEEx51psaN7i+oojB+xK4hMeA8s4qMSuM6nYCPtgVXZkUfgATf5bV s0IllPV9PRMbQJdI+kDGD+Pt9X84QioYqoKAmJONnnZFTjihe0Pyq7sB7X6tQ3Jj6sCF yKdvZcmtomCvNY43ahB2+LjkxnAeHk+4nAEtAlm6dV+naHvRW70pxOT1h/+RIZe+tVGo unuQ== X-Received: by 10.140.30.139 with SMTP id d11mr42699932qgd.85.1444080071855; Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.2.8] (brain.ist.psu.edu. [130.203.154.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j193sm12155637qhc.17.2015.10.05.14.21.09 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:21:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190977 Archived-At: John, > If the experience is great on GNU systems, but awful on OS X, > I'll see this as meaning that changes needing to be made. Conversely, = I won't > notice degradation on GNU systems owing to cross-platform changes, and = would > require those using such systems to inform me. Do you consider downstream projects a legitimate way of providing that = experience on the basis of GPL principles without diluting the overall = mission of the FSF and the GNU project? By providing support and stability, the upstream project (Emacs) can = foster an ecosystem that is ultimately a good advertisement to free = software. Downstream projects can reach a wider audience than the = GNU-only system can, and they can incorporate libraries and = functionalities that the upstream project is unwilling to adopt for = philosophical reasons. With the right relationship to these projects, = some improvements can also be ported back and thus benefit everybody.