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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Emacs-Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file'
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:05:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACMEMECFAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <475DD674.5080409@gmail.com>

> > Our experience says that automatic "after" loading is fine for 99% of
> > users (that's all we actually provide in a released version), and that
> > "before" is satisfactory for the rest.  (There may be users we haven't
> > encountered who *need* finer control, but the fact that in the 7 years
> > since December 2000 we haven't encountered *one* suggests there are
> > very few.)  The reason I suggest providing the "before" option is that
> > I know there are use cases for it.  I have never heard of anybody who
> > *needed* it loaded in the middle of the init file.  I *have* helped
> > debug problems that happened because customizations were loaded in the
> > middle of the init file rather than at the appropriate end, though.
>
> Ah, now I think I remember. A good way to handle the load
> sequence could be:
>
>    1) load .emacs
>    2) if .emacs did not load custom-file then do that
>       immediately after .emacs.

Yes, I mentioned that also. I agree that that is workable. (After loading
.emacs includes, of course, after loading any files .emacs might load.)

> That solves the problem with the loading sequence with very little
> trouble (I believe). Those users which want to use the values from
> custom-set-variables in their .emacs will have to learn to insert
>
>    (load custom-file)
>
> in their .emacs but I would expect that to be easy for those users.

Yes, that is what I would suggest too. If loading the custom file "is fine
for 99% of users", then the rest (which, according to Stephen, is nearly the
other 1%) can add (load custom-file) where they want it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-11  6:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-10 19:02 always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file' Drew Adams
2007-12-10 19:21 ` Eric Hanchrow
2007-12-10 20:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 21:19   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 21:25     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 22:12       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 22:35         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 23:19             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 23:44               ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  0:05                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-12-11  0:16                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-10 22:56       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 23:06         ` David Kastrup
2007-12-11  0:07           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 23:08         ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  0:31           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-10 22:08     ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 23:45       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  0:14         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-11  1:04           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  6:05           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2007-12-11  0:47         ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  2:20           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11  6:15             ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  9:53               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-11 16:57                 ` Drew Adams
2007-12-12 10:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-12-12 16:31                     ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 19:01           ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-11 19:12             ` Drew Adams
2007-12-10 21:58   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  4:00     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11  6:04       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 14:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-11 16:58           ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 22:12             ` David Kastrup
2007-12-10 22:07 ` Jason Rumney
2007-12-10 23:08   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11  3:02 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-12-11  6:06   ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 11:39     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-12-11 16:58       ` Drew Adams
2007-12-11 19:00 ` Richard Stallman

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