unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: <bob@rattlesnake.com>, <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: customize-set-(value|variable) [was: apropos commands forcommands, user options, all functions, all variables]
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:30:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACMEMDCEAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1IrYUJ-002K4AC@rattlesnake.com>

>        1. Rename `customize-set-value' to `set-option', and
>        `customize-set-variable' to `set-option-default' ...
>
>    We don't currently suggest to users that they use those commands,
>    so making them easier to use does not seem like an important goal.
>
> As a rule, no one ever should use the customize commands unless they
> are a novice or unless they do not understand a feature like fonts.
> They are to help, not to replace `setq'.
>
> The reason is that the customize commands provide even less an
> increment of knowledge than `setq' because they are so readily
> interactive and do not require additional knowledge.  In a .emacs
> file, you must read the documentation on a variable although that
> often tells little.  I fear that I still do not understand fonts
> because my interactions with them has been through customize ...


I don't know what to say, except that I disagree 100%.

An interactive function that provides completion and a degree of type
checking is much, much handier than using `setq' with `M-:'.

"As a rule, no one ever should use" rules like the one you propose, IMO.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-12 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-19 19:08 apropos commands for commands, user options, all functions, all variables Drew Adams
2007-10-19 20:24 ` Andreas Röhler
2007-10-19 20:42   ` Drew Adams
2007-10-21  6:40 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-21  7:26 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 20:41   ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-22  0:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-23  0:35       ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-23  7:11         ` Drew Adams
2007-10-26  3:48           ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-26 22:43             ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-27 13:58               ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-06 22:46                 ` customize-set-(value|variable) [was: apropos commands for commands, user options, all functions, all variables] Drew Adams
2007-11-11 21:11                   ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 21:34                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12  0:43                       ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12  0:58                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12  5:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 12:33                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 15:30                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2007-11-12 17:10                         ` customize-set-(value|variable) [was: apropos commands forcommands, " Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 19:23                           ` customize-set-(value|variable) [was: apropos commandsforcommands, " Drew Adams
2007-11-12 20:32                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-10-23  7:12     ` apropos commands for commands, user options, all functions, all variables Richard Stallman
2007-10-25 20:59       ` Juri Linkov

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACMEMDCEAA.drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --to=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=bob@rattlesnake.com \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).