From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: generate 3) S-mouse-2: follow link in new window Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1191008159 17939 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2007 19:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 28 21:35:54 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IbLce-0003d0-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:35:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IbLca-00057C-P6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IbLcX-00056D-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IbLcV-00054i-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IbLcV-00054Z-JE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IbLcS-0000aE-9l; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:24 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l8SJZFup011647; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:35:16 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l8SItPcb024364; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:35:15 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-74-29.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3253553081191008015; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:33:35 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80008 Archived-At: > Have `ask' be the default value of > `mouse-1-click-follows-link', and have a > behavior similar to that of `disable-command': > > I can't believe beginners would prefer that. Why not? If you have never used an application, and you just do what you are used to doing, but there is a better, alternative behavior that is in fact the standard behavior in that application, wouldn't you want to know about it? These are the alternatives: 1. Have both m-1 and m-2 follow links, by default. A newbie who tries m-1 doesn't learn about m-2. S?he later encounters some difficulties because of the m-1 peculiarities. M-1 is not quite what s?he expected, and s?he will not have been told about those differences. S?he doesn't know about m-2 and s?he doesn't really understand this special m-1 either. 2. Have only m-2 follow links, by default. The newbie discovers that m-1 doesn't follow links, but s?he doesn't learn that m-2 follows links or that s?he can configure m-1 to also follow links. 3. Do what I suggested. The first time (only) the newbie tries m-1 on a link, s?he is informed about both m-2 and the possibility of having m-1 also follow links. #1 is Emacs 22. #2 is more or less pre-22. #3 should be Emacs 23. Let the user know more to control more.