From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: menu items Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:38:07 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87ir28k0wz.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199547540 7667 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 15:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juri Linkov" , "Nick Roberts" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 16:39:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBB7I-0005h7-1A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:39:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBB6v-0004kj-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:38:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBB6Z-0004Nh-7Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:38:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBB6X-0004LH-Ae for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBB6W-0004Kp-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:38:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBB6W-0007yN-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:38:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m05FcUTO030279; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:38:30 -0700 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m05DB0xm013177; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:38:29 -0700 Original-Received: from 141.144.88.86 by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3479063791199547466; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:37:46 -0800 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87ir28k0wz.fsf@jurta.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86182 Archived-At: > > The menu items are too distracting. I would like to see the key > > bindings permanently greyed out as they are of secondary interest. > > This probably flies in the face of convention, however, so how about > > just removing the brackets surrounding the key binding? This makes > > them a bit quieter and does seem to follow convention ( = > > expectation). > > I agree that brackets are confusing since some menu entries use > brackets for other purposes (for instance, "Postscript Print Buffer (B+W)" > displays "(B+W)" on the right side that looks like a key binding). > > Maybe a better format would be the same as used in the Emacs documentation > with single quotes like `C-x C-w'? This still causes less noise than > brackets. I'm against graying out (dimming) the binding , except possibly as a user option. Dimming in a menu generally signifies that something is unavailable in the current context. I'm in favor of removing the parentheses. I'm against adding single quotes. A binding is clearest in this context with nothing around it: C-' for Control apostrophe. As long as the binding is set off from the item name by a few spaces, it shouldn't need anything additional to identify it.