From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185110916 6077 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2007 13:28:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pete.a.lee@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, mathias.dahl@gmail.com To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 22 15:28:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ICbUA-0002Vf-NU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:28:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbUA-0005VR-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbU6-0005VE-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbU5-0005V2-1U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICbU4-0005Uz-RM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:28 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ICbU2-00070l-OM; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:26 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l6MDSLPo009243; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:28:22 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l6MCVjhX031008; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:28:21 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-64-112.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3059348611185110799; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:26:39 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75297 Archived-At: > 1. Open to the *Customize Browser* buffer. I think you're > proposing this. > > 2. Open to the *Customize Group* buffer (say *Customize Group: > convenience*). > > 3. Open to the *Customize Option: visit-on-startup* buffer. > > #3 sounds too specific. Yes, it would enable someone to turn > off the splash screen, but it wouldn't show that there are other > possibilities. > > I think #2 is best. It avoids unnecessary indirection while showing > more than just one option. > > Whenever the user asks to customize a single option, should > we just open the browser to a browser display that shows > that option or its group somewhere on it > > That's a different issue. When the user specifically asks to customize > one option, we should provide that option. But here the user > would be asking to "customize the startup screen". That is NOT > a request for one option. It was at the time of the message you replied to - the single option was `visit-on-startup'. However, since then, the discussion moved on. My last proposal was that the link [Customize Startup Display] lead to `customize-group' for a customize group `startup-display'. That buffer, `*Customize Group: startup-display*' would show everything for the startup display: > `visit-on-startup' [Hide Value] [Value Menu] > What to show/visit on startup. > > `fancy-splash-screen' group: Go to Group > Fancy splash screen when Emacs starts. With this approach, #2 above becomes the same thing: go to the customize group, which would be `startup-display'. Startup display deserves its own group because (1) most of the stuff in group `initialization' has nothing to do with the startup display, and (2) `visit-on-startup' is about the startup display, but it is not about the `fancy-splash-screen'. This new goldilocks group is just right for everything about the startup display. It doesn't include everything about initialization, and it includes more than just the splash screen.