From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, stephen@xemacs.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: face for non-ASCII characters
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:41:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTinZ2GrOrO=YGXUOKwzTNoOtRVd7_A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pqo8vph6.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> wrote:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> After that I changed it so the user can review and decide at each
>> opportunistic install.
>>
>> This is not a binary question, it's a scale. You want to take a step
>> towards the wrong end of the scale. We are just introducing the
>> separate package archive, which is a big step. Now is too soon to
>> consider another step. The risk here is hard to calculate, so we must
>> be cautious.
...
>
> But such program behavior should not be encouraged in general. In the
> vast majority of forseeable Emacs-relevant situations, opportunistic
> installation is a false optimization. It introduces more moving parts
> into a program and obnoxiously makes the user wait for a download in the
> middle of a command---all for the purpose of saving trivial amounts of
> disk space. In practically all instances, package dependencies are the
> proper way to go.
I think this contains some misunderstandings. Opportunistic install is
not (mainly) for saving disk space. And package dependencies only is
in my opinion too rough.
The main advantage of opportunistic install is easier structure. It is
basically the same thing as (require ...), but from the network if
needed.
Using only package dependencies makes it hard to "announce" new
possibilities. In the case of nXhtml I have tried to announce
possibilities by placing them in menus. If only package dependencies
where used that would mean installing the menus for nXhtml would
install all of nXhtml.
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2010-03-18 19:11 Translation of http status code to text Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22 1:19 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 13:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 14:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:55 ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 19:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 20:32 ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 21:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 9:55 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 13:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 14:26 ` face for non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 18:18 ` face for non-ASCII characters Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 22:41 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 23:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 0:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 9:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:57 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:27 ` Drew Adams
2011-04-16 16:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 17:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 15:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 16:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 17:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-19 13:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-19 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 14:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-20 21:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 17:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 19:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 20:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 21:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 12:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 12:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-22 13:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-23 0:50 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-23 7:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-25 17:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26 18:26 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-26 19:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 20:29 ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-27 3:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-02 18:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 1:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-03 14:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 21:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-04 14:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-27 12:41 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2011-04-22 14:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 17:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 3:14 ` package management proposals for Emacs (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 8:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 21:46 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-27 1:19 ` package management proposals for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2011-04-27 3:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27 21:14 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26 3:09 ` markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 8:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 15:28 ` idn.el and confusables.txt (was: markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 19:42 ` idn.el and confusables.txt Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 20:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 8:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-14 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 13:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 15:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 17:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 20:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15 1:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-15 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15 12:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-16 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-16 18:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-17 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-17 15:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-18 18:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-15 13:06 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-05-15 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 5:23 ` handa
2011-05-18 7:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18 7:59 ` handa
2011-05-18 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-17 8:15 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-17 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 2:07 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 2:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 3:29 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 6:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 7:22 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 8:02 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 10:30 ` bidi at startup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 15:12 ` bidi at startup Stefan Monnier
2011-06-21 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-07 6:10 ` C interface to Unicode character property char-tables Kenichi Handa
2011-08-06 16:52 ` Using uniprop_table_lookup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 0:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-09 1:32 ` Using uniprop_table_lookup Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09 4:31 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-15 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-31 10:42 ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 10:42 ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-16 16:00 ` face for non-ASCII characters Drew Adams
2010-03-23 19:40 ` Florian Beck
2010-03-23 14:35 ` Translation of http status code to text Miles Bader
2010-03-23 14:22 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:50 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http statuscode " Drew Adams
2010-03-23 21:49 ` highlighting non-ASCII characters Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24 0:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 1:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 2:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 4:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-24 5:14 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 13:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 15:06 ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 19:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 10:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 19:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 17:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 20:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 22:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 18:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 18:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-29 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:51 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 13:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 21:32 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-30 13:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 14:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-30 14:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 14:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 16:18 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-30 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 7:11 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 14:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 17:32 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 0:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 13:38 ` Stephen Berman
2010-03-26 22:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 7:12 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 2:09 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24 5:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-24 9:28 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 9:27 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 18:41 ` Translation of http status code to text Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 19:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 9:54 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 10:54 ` joakim
2010-03-23 15:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 3:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 17:35 ` Glenn Morris
2010-03-24 19:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-25 1:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 12:57 ` Stefan Monnier
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