From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs Windows barebin distribution Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:37:44 -0800 Message-ID: References: <4F8ADAFC.9030308@gmail.com> <831unp0xzq.fsf@gnu.org><837gpj0vyo.fsf@gnu.org><551F5F9812F347C08746E86B58C59129@us.oracle.com> <83wqxizvg0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353260290 8036 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2012 17:38:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, mathias.dahl@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Juanma Barranquero'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 18 18:38:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8p2-0000VF-LM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:38:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50191 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8os-00008R-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:38:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8on-000072-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:38:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8ok-0003Vh-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:38:05 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:36259) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8og-0003Us-Eb; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:37:58 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qAIHbuQI022750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:37:56 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAIHbtbc017410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:37:55 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qAIHbs7d020509; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:37:54 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:37:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83wqxizvg0.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac3FsBDGHF2bqQ+eTdOoRjAjZ89/TQAANYDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154919 Archived-At: > One important thing that the critics seem to forget, or don't know, is > that the barebin distribution simply didn't work, for quite some time > now. So if we were to revert that decision, we would have to find a > way to make it work first. What critics? Has anyone actually criticized or opposed discontinuing the barebin distribution? Straw man argument. I spoke out against your argument for _how you know_ that users don't use barebins. I made it clear that I do not use barebins myself, and I do not in any way oppose discontinuing their distribution. It's the decision process that I spoke to: deciding what users want/need/use based on emacs-devel list activity, instead of on a user poll or the proposed analysis of download stats. If you want to know what users use, ask them. Or look directly at what they download. If. And I hope you do. (That said, I do not take the position that whatever users might think they want should determine the direction that Emacs Dev should go. That would be tailism. But there is a difference between (a) leading instead of following and (b) ignoring those you are trying to lead.)