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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327153 Archived-At: On 26 December 2024 5:22:38=E2=80=AFpm GMT+05:30, Pranshu wrote: >On 25 December 2024 5:33:04=E2=80=AFpm GMT+05:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2024 07:05:19 +0800 >>> From: Pranshu >>> CC: rudalics@gmx=2Eat, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >>>=20 >>> On 24 December 2024 8:58:10=E2=80=AFpm GMT+08:00, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> > >>> >Why are we allocating key bindings to commands before they are enough >>> >time in use to know whether they will be used frequently enough to >>> >justify a default binding? There's nothing wrong with a command whic= h >>> >has no bindings, there are gobs of them in Emacs=2E >>>=20 >>> how will we know if or not a binding is used frequently? >> >>By listening to users who ask for a binding=2E Also, by using this >>command ourselves and paying attention to the frequency of such uses=2E >> >>> IMO binding commands makes it more discoverable >> >>How so? > >Lots of people use which key, also I can imagine people assume some speci= fic prefixes have all the relevant key bindings for a purpose, so just do C= -h to list bindings for the map=2E Ik I did this for project and vc and win= dow prefix map=2E > >>> and a specific window prefix map exists solely for this purpose=2E=20 >> >>The prefix map exists for the purpose of binding window-related >>commands, but it has no bearing on the decision whether to provide a >>binding in the first place=2E > >The C-x w is very empty, and it would be good if it had new keys=2E I hon= estly don't ever imagine that binding having 26 commands, so any binding is= better than no binding=2E IMNSHO these commands would be by far the most u= seful in that map after C-x w (2|3)=2E > >The problem is basically people will assume all relevant bindings are in = that map, since it is so empty, new commands would be added=2E > >>> >Let's not rush into reserving key bindings we are not sure will be >>> >needed, because it will be nigh impossible to change or remove them l= ater=2E >>>=20 >>> I didn't know situation was that bad, maybe someday I will read M-g ch= ange mailing list just for entertainment=2E >> >>I don't think I understand what you are saying here=2E > >IIUC the problem is that curmudgeons storm emacsdevel when there is a cha= nge, IIRC most recently this happen with the Thierry register drama=2E Has = there been a case of this happening with any binding released after emacs 2= 4? > By: The problem is basically people will assume all relevant bindings are in t= hat map, since it is so empty, new commands would be added=2E I meant to say: since C x w is so empty, people will assume these commands won't exists, a= s if they did they would easily be able to find space on the prefix=2E