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[128.53.58.238]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p79sm38134527pfj.51.2016.12.20.02.52.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Dec 2016 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8737hn40r3.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210658 Archived-At: > On 2016 Dec 17, at 13:50, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >=20 > Wouldn't it be a good idea to state clearly somewhere that ELisp Intro > is not only about introduction to programming, but also about > introdcution to Emacs as the Elisp environment? Narrowing is first > mentioned in Chapter 9 of the Elisp Reference and only described in > detail in Chapter 29 (!). The problem with the Elisp Intro is that it is extremely verbose and it = is not really easy to find the information you're looking for. It also says that people who want an introduction to emacs should use = the interactive tutorial so it's not really easy for people who know the = basics of Emacs and of programming to find it useful before committing = oneself to read a good bunch of it. Jean-Christophe Helary=20=