From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 23:36:48 +0900 Message-ID: References: <831ro2tqqx.fsf@gnu.org> <4a1fd3f4-df92-c756-9874-4d07b54148ac@yandex.ru> <83v9lesapw.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbms9m8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="62523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philippe Vaucher , Emacs developers , Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman , dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 16:37:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUtGk-000GAu-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 16:37:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42578 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUtGj-0007Ie-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 10:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUtGE-0006dy-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 10:36:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUtGC-0001pV-AZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 10:36:57 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com ([17.58.6.57]:48477) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUtGB-0001lM-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 10:36:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1588430214; bh=N6Qm4MfHqLmB0f5MrKq9o1bweg/YehAD/QziG2cJm0A=; h=Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=FmCqQWZBdaN8rlJTmiVyXmVRNNnBBatQyP7WePZzP90VfsTzrdFm/E53yv3w8Jekm tiWeY+38mZWnzo4zVt5wpYhNJ3iPSidR+w5XRNJD0uilh+TMqSbL9c1ZnpSRjjVJ3z 7gSNEY8TWMZJq+/mIoXlztmaxBC6khRKvpoXKVUVe5siB177lsRhlfmTlEebbPEciL GFvFgzpD59A4U1cYg8wue4E/0y2JrLiv20dEXHaPFTKC8u9g7rllPJZMqTwl3CDuTq S5GG7NTBOHtGXPJrn31kkBmGGdxT+gi+1Y6M3Uqtgtu6edB+x5nBtvtELmKT+PSXSo 2d0pGQ5b9O0hg== Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [1.230.108.64]) by pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 514B46E02F0; Sat, 2 May 2020 14:36:52 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83pnbms9m8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-02_08:2020-05-01, 2020-05-02 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=615 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2005020130 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=17.58.6.57; envelope-from=pcr910303@icloud.com; helo=pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 10:36:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Received-From: 17.58.6.57 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248454 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii 작성: >> From: Philippe Vaucher >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 16:05:29 +0200 >> Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Emacs developers >> , >> Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman >> I can only talk about the stuff I'm familiar with. Let others bring >> up counter-arguments from other places. But while doing that, let's >> remember to compare the sizes of the languages, because a small enough >> language can definitely use an exhaustive list of candidates to the >> benefit of the users. >> >> I don't understand why we still need to come up with examples of other >> languages (in other languages they >> usually have namespaces as the norm), but here's a list of examples: >> >> https://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/File.html > > Thank you. This shows 60 file-related functions. Which… are all file-related. For example, if I want to know about whether a file exists or not, I can go to the File:: and find out there’s a File::exist? method. > Does anyone want to > look through a list that long to find what they need? I don't. > > (Funnily enough, "C-u C-h a file-name RET" also shows 63 functions > and commands.) "C-u C-h a file exist RET” on the other hand, gives me 9 functions in my current session (with functions totally unrelated, like ones from company-mode). This particular function is easy to find, since it employs the prefix scheme, so I can just guess it starts with file and type file-exi and let autocomplete help me, but it still illustrates that C-u C-h a isn’t great enough.