From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steven Tamm Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs in CVS as today does not build - emacs depends on *.elc, which cannot be built without emacs Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:41:47 -0800 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200210311701.g9VH1rR29614@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1036112676 17014 80.91.224.249 (1 Nov 2002 01:04:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187QEl-0004QI-00 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 02:04:35 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 187QKa-0000Lw-00 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 02:10:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 187QBT-0005EV-00; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:01:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 187Pt5-0001YV-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 187Pt3-0001Y7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:42:10 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.89]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 187Psk-0001QB-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:41:50 -0500 Original-Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.2/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id gA10fmOi018502 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:41:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mac.com ([12.236.43.16]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H4VGLO00.KDP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:41:48 -0800 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" In-Reply-To: <200210311701.g9VH1rR29614@rum.cs.yale.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9019 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9019 For the make-package script in the Mac OS X, it will run make bootstrap if lisp/abbrev.elc is missing. What would be the argument(s) against adding to the root Makefile a dependency on a specific .elc file that would force "make bootstrap" if starting from scratch? It is not "doing it right", but it seems to work. -Steven On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 09:01 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Most, if not all, of those projects I have retrieved from CVS I have >> been able to use the "./configure; make; make install" incantation, >> so - >> recognizing that Emacs is a large and complex program with different >> needs to most other programs - I would still like to know what the >> reason for this is. > > It can be done, but Emacs' Makefile has not been worked on sufficiently > to allow it to both work and be fast: checking whether bootstrap > is needed or not can be costly if you want to do it right (it's OK, > tho, since we can just be conservative as we do now) but more > importantly > the best way to bootstrap is not always the same and since > bootstrapping > can take a while...