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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, 'Eli Zaretskii' <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Mathias Dahl' <mathias.dahl@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Emacs Windows barebin distribution
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:39:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B3429F66EF70428DABF8B34E79C3F480@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SSJHvLbSNXmtDZObrJqQ+N4=u7+KeqRmA80iuy+kQLv6Q@mail.gmail.com>

> > And in this case a very good measure was proposed.  And, 
> > unbelievably, it was summarily dismissed/countered in
> > favor of reliance on the much poorer measure of
> > emacs-devel activity.  That is the argument and the 
> > attitude I spoke out against.
> 
> Polling users doesn't happen on its own. Someone has to spend the time
> to do it.

The proposal from Matthias was not a proposal to poll the users.  He suggested
examining the download logs to see how much the barebins were picked up.

I do not know how much energy is required to do that, which is why my support
for it was qualified by "if easy", "if feasible" etc.

> Removing something deemed unnecessary and waiting for anyone
> to complain is less work. That wouldn't be a good rationale for
> killing a heavily used, or a core, feature, but it seems perfectly
> reasonable to me when speaking of something that's likely not used by
> anybody (more so after Eli's comment about it being broken).

I don't disagree with that at all.  I agree that it is a reasonable approach.

My argument was against the reasoning that _because_ no one has spoken up here
there must not be any user interest in this.  That's a false argument and
suggests a bad attitude, IMHO.

> So the argument and the attitude is, I think, "why should we spend
> time in something that we're convinced it is useless anyway, unless we
> have a good reason to think otherwise?"

See above.  That is a fair argument.  But that is not the argument and attitude
I was speaking about.




  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-18 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-15 14:28 Emacs Windows barebin distribution Christoph Scholtes
2012-04-15 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-16 22:48   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-16 22:54     ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-17  7:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17  8:27       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-17  8:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 12:52   ` Mathias Dahl
2012-11-18 15:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 15:50       ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18 16:20         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-18 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 17:37             ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18 17:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 18:22                 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18 19:00                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 17:22           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18 17:29             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-18 17:39               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-11-18 17:45                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-18 18:22                   ` Drew Adams
2012-11-19  4:02               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-18 17:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 13:58         ` Jason Rumney
2012-11-21  4:23           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-18 19:56       ` Mathias Dahl
2012-11-18 20:22         ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-18 20:45           ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-18 21:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 21:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-15 16:43 ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-16  0:02   ` Drew Adams

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