From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-line-move-visual: was line motion problem Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18557.63556.231489.523637@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <5F62534C-D5CE-4364-8F73-E1AE0D61B4E2@gmail.com> <87abghlqs2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hcap3ct7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mykg84aj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200807181530.m6IFUHVp029662@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <06ED973A-F762-4586-9913-37B3622C8644@gmail.com> <87prp78bv4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--16070178; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216661843 26599 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2008 17:37:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 21 19:38:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKzKp-0006AF-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:38:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzJv-0005RI-8Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzJo-0005Ou-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzJl-0005Js-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52050 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzJl-0005Jh-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:01 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.238]:17302) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKzJk-0001fZ-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:01 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so560736wxd.24 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=EEtZFS4vdIDsLHGnnK1SiZDdRqQ7jXK3RMdfta44BBQ=; b=k1fBT8Xu93C9Z0cBy3FD4URIjSYVeJ8YBYE+/iAaZJqPOujyL0nlJnokS/dYoW+3aD el1hWCPPo9S6FJHokIT7OvTVEjffDkVUu0RsRMWMZF1rR6OG0QzyBDIHeQpVrB3RtLDX LmMtEynFsjcK8A5YFOTLRoyhFC/9okw7hXAVQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=Wvvvudl9InHqKCUj5GhipIqsdSPT/Gh/ObK+LohjtdhKwsFzBtASM5LdmGB1bProf7 N9qjcfZgOtawLiKxdnBOiHyZfzF+4ByKVftyvgRbApEg5OVIykxu3f0l13tm5ozCLJLJ O/zOGPhDDcPj51XqSN1Q+6LJmiZeEfoJfrOv4= Original-Received: by 10.70.12.10 with SMTP id 10mr3327512wxl.32.1216661818568; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from CMU-276608.WV.CC.CMU.EDU ( [128.237.234.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15sm1793813wxd.7.2008.07.21.10.36.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87prp78bv4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101102 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-13--16070178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 21 Jul 2008, at 12:01, Chong Yidong wrote: > Please don't add a menu-bar entry for this. The menu-bar is > already too > cluttered. Do we expect a sizeable number of users to look for this? If so, we should add it to the Show/Hide menu. As for clutter: the show/hide menu only has 11 entries with this. 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