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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273038 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> But you only do this for packages in elpa/nelpa? > > Yes, I do use `elpa-admin.el` for other packages. > It requires a fair bit manual fiddling currently, because I haven't > tried to provide a clean UI, but that can be done. > >> That does not handle random git repos from www? > > It will handle some random git packages, but not all, no. > If the tool becomes popular enough, the pressure for packages to follow > the required convention should be enough to make sure most packages can > be handled (assuming that convention is sufficiently flexible). > >> This does not manage dependencies for git repos whithout spec. > > It partly does since the dependencies are (or can be) listed inside the > .el file. > > And it partly doesn't because those dependencies are specified as > package names rather than URLs, so it lacks a way to find the URL > corresponding to a given package name. But those dependencies can be > fetched from ELPA archives as well (you can mix and match, some packages > installed from ELPA and some installed from Git). > > > Stefan Yes, sounds as predicted. Thanks for the anser. Any thoughts of enabling non gnu elpa, and package.el to deal with packages in a similar fashon as AUR and I guess similar solutions from other distros. What I think of is that people could submit just build recipes into gnu elpa, without tar-ed sources. Just the URLs or sources and the way to fetch/build and install a package. Isn't it what el-get already does? That could open for 3rd party "maintainers" to contribute a script to install a package without the burden on package authors. I guess anyone can clone "nelpa" and add someone elses package, but I am not sure how polite that would be considered. Maybe I am wrong, maybe it is just me, but I have a feeling that it is a custom practice for elpa/nelpa/melpa that authors themselves sumbit packages.