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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273219 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > They communicate/share information via slack, discord, reddit, instagram > > etc. > > Those are online dis-services -- they treat users unjustly. > Each of them requires users to run nonfree software to talk to it, > even when the user is doing so through a web browser. > Several of them have other unjust practices I know of; > see stallman.org/slack.html, discord.html, instagram.html. > > To recommend that people use one of them would contradict our goal of > computing that respects the user's freedom. Thus, we can't recommend > any of them. Whatever practical "advantages" it might have, they > could not make up for the moral contradiction it would cause. ? I didn't recommend to anyone to use those, nor did I spoke in their favor, I just generally spoke about what some people prefer and I try to speculate why. But yes, they are all there to exploit users in the very end, because users are their product.