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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309418 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Arthur Miller >> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:14:41 +0200 >> >> I personally believe that Emacs as a project would benefit of complete >> core rewrite, as well as unifying the extension and the implementation >> language for several reasons. Yes, it is a lot of work, but even >> rewriting C core to adapt Emacs to modern machines is a lot of work in >> itself, if it is even possible. > > Sure, this has been said here several times. > > Two problems with this: > > . we need volunteer(s) to actually do the work, and the requirements > for their talents are hard to meet; and > . the rewrite needs to keep all or most of Lisp still working, which > is IMNSHO almost impossible, because our Lisp is written for the > current design If you implement your current design on the another platform, it would still work the same, no? By the way; I am sure you will have to implement quite feelable changes in the current design regardless. Common Lisp implementation is just food for thought. I think it was an interesting discussion, so I am just throwing out a different idea I haven't seen around. I don't think is impossible, but I don't say it is easy or trivial either. :)