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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282906 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Some of those old platforms are among the most important ones > > > because they allow operation without the Intel Management Engine > > > (or AMD's counterpart to that). > > > Aren't there modern machines without this? Machines that are much more > > performant, reliable and secure than those old ones, which usually are > > tied to an unsupported OS full of security defects? > > Not that I've heard of. Every so often I check whether there has been > progress. There are not, and there probably will not be. I think it is a decision enforced by the goverment of a certain world power. Maybe if you used CPUs produced in some other country for some other market, but do you really trust a hardware produced in maybe even less free country where everything is under control of one party? Getting rid of such features in modern hardware can be only done in political way, but the wide masses are not aware of the problems of mass surviliance so political solution is probably not possible at this time. As of current using old CPUs without such hardware is the only solution, but that is not a sustainable solution. Eventually the world will run out of old CPUs, and the majority of population already can not obtain one such CPU.