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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270554 Archived-At: Boruch Baum writes: > On 2021-06-07 15:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 23:35:26 -0400 >> > From: Boruch Baum >> > Cc: "Paul W. Rankin" <0278C47F-42CE-45C4-B789-83C57DF1A191@bydasein.com>, >> > Stefan Monnier >> > >> > On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 22:54:41 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> > >> > > My current guess is that you fear that "--" has currently been used >> > > carelessly >> > >> > Using 'ivy/counsel' and performing M-x -- gives me 56 completion >> > candidates. 23 are from magit, Here are the rest: >> >> You need to remove from this list those which are intended for >> invocation via the mouse. They aren't relevant to the issue at hand, >> because the "--" was used there "for other purposes". > > The point was just to support Paul Rankin's position that a '--' > substring isn't a reliable determinant of a function's public/private > nature, so can't be used as an alternative to an explicit (optional) > declaration. > > My concern isn't the declaration, but the scope of its consequences. For > example, an emacs user who does no elisp programming would be happy to > have no private variable/function results appear among completion > candidates when performing M-x describe-variable/function. Elisp > programmers would want those completion candidates exposed, and subject > to being extended/advised. How would Emacs now if it was a programmer asking or not programmer asking? :-)