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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273988 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: >> On Sep 2, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>=20 >> That's only true for changes of the default behavior, and key bindings >> are examples of such a change, at least the way they are proposed. >> There was talk about introducing a minor mode which would then be free >> to make controversial changes, including key bindings, but no one >> stepped forward to write such a mode. Which I think is a pity, given >> how easy it should be to do that, and how many problems and >> frustrations it could potentially solve. > > There can even be a new mode for each new version of Emacs. And I imagine= a > tutorial would just say =E2=80=9CM-x emacs-28-defaults-mode RET to enable= the sane > defaults=E2=80=9D. How do we decide what is turned on in that mode? If we= know what to > turn on, writing it is trivial, no? Exactly, the problem is: how you decide what is sane? :-). I don't think em= acs devs has chosen to ship with "insane defaults" on purpose. Or are you emacs devs? :-) With other words, emacs devs already think that default options are sane. S= o I don't think that wording here should be "enable sane defaults", but "enable different defaults". For example enable "VSCode like defaults" or enable "Eclipse like defaults" or something else.