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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283049 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:05:37 +0100 (CET) >> From: xenodasein@tutanota.de >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es, eliz@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com >> >> I seriously suspect that he does this intentionally, to frustrate others >> into giving up. > > Please don't assume others here post not in good faith, it's unkind > and unfair. That was my thought too, and that is why I didn't want to answer on that one. I felt him syaing that, was admitting to trolling so I didn't want to continue more there. The "todo list" was another such place as well as freetype discussion. He is probably a good chap, but I find him immature. I would expect that kind of conducting disussion on reddit not here. About the good faith he is not shy of accusing others, so don't what to say you there. Anyway, I do this for my own recreation and because I find solving problems and experimenting with Emacs fun. That is my own free time and escape from stress, so I don't poiseness discussions and crap from neither some Po or Schwab or anyone else, so thank for you patience with me, and time, and of course the help I got from you and others on this list. I do sicncerely with Merry Christmass and Happy New Year to you all. Best wishes