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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274282 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > Arthur Miller writes: > >> Tim Cross writes: >> >>> Arthur Miller writes: >>> >>>> Tim Cross writes: >>>> >>>>> tomas@tuxteam.de writes: >>>>> >>>>>> As a small nit: why JSON and not S-expressions? We're lispies, after >>>>>> all ;-) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only because from a web perspective, middleware to process body contents >>>>> consisting of JSON are plentiful, while libraries for s-expressions are >>>>> not. >>>> >>>> But you would be processing them in Emacs which is very good at processing both >>>> text and s-expressions? :) >>> >>> Why would you be processing them in Emacs? If you had a web service, the >>> last thing you would have is Emacs sitting behind the web server. You >>> would use something better suited which would process the data from the >>> POST request which then stores the data in some format. You might have >>> Emacs be able to query that data to get reports. >> >> Just save a byte stream, and then process in Emacs? > > But why? There are loads of libraries which can do all the necessary > processing and storage of results that would be almost trivial to > assemble and the data would be processed as soon as it arrives - all > done without need for human intervention. Who said human intervention? :-) I see emacs as a good tool for shell scripting and text processing. In general I am surprised that lisp(s) are second grade citizens in the land of web scraping, text processing etc, python being No 1 atm and js no2. Thomas asked why not s-exps? And I also wonder. If we sent s-exps over the wire, maybe it would be less processing involved? Write incomming s-exp to emacs server socket? Is it too wild to think of? :) > boring task best left to machines I think. Of course, my thoughts as well, anytime!