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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271927 Archived-At: Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> On the other hand something has always felt off about transient, in the = sense >> that it is breaking some expected behaviour or couldn't pin-point yet, b= ut >> just unconsciously stumble over.=20 > > This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in Emacs. I repo= rted a > bug in Embark recently, and because I could not select and copy the text,= I > ended up re-typing the text that was right in front of me in Emacs. Say w= hat? > For me, Emacs is a program where I expect to never waste time re-typing > anything. Magit has a similar feel to it, and I can never be sure if the = program > will allow me to select text in the diverse parts of its user interface. = In my > opinion, such uncertainty is bad for power users. I would expect this fro= m Apple > or Microsoft software, because their latest =E2=80=9CUX designers=E2=80= =9D surely know better > than anyone, but in Emacs? > > R+ Sh*t, pressed wrong button and mail went before I finneshed it ... :-(