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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273206 Archived-At: tomas@tuxteam.de writes: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 02:49:02PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > [...] > >> > I have watched this process around the 2010s in one company [...] > >> Office 365 includes Outlook, > > I know. I lived it :) > >> so I don't think you interpret that move >> correctly. It is most probably meant to avoid maintaining email >> infrastructure in the company itself. > > This was but part of the equation (I had the chance to talk to some > folks next to the decision makers). Actually, this part of the equation > was the more problematic one, because of GDPR. Salespeople promised > this wouldn't be a problem, because "all servers would be in the EU". > Aha :-) > > The other was "mail is old, and here we have something *much* better". Yes they are pushing hard on Teams. My company is using it extensively for meetings, calendar, communication and even some logging. They require some people to write daily repports in Teams so that manager can go in and read it. > This was also the narrative the whole "change management" machinery > was built around, with "planes", "pilots" and "seats" and whatnot. > > (Will stop now, because seriously off-topic) > > Cheers > - t