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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274325 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > We will not change C-x and M-x in the Emacs defaults, > > > nor C-SPC and M-SPC. Those are important commands. > > > I didn't meant for Emacs defaults. > > > I meant for some hypotethical config so that users used to C-o, C-x etc can get > > those bindings. > > I think it is fine to make and use such a theme, if you want to. Of course it is fine, it is a free editor :). > I think it is fine to make and use such a theme, if you want to. No, I don't want to, but some other users seems to want to :).