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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:18:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB497714478B84496BC57BC8CF96779@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YbsJrdwCXMLqGApL@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:41:01 +0100")

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 09:13:19AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> > Since a few years ago Gcc improved after painfully breaking old
>> > constraints, pressured by the new competitor, but I'm afraid that it
>> > will be too little, too late. Linux compiles with Clang, and that's a
>> > very worrying signal for Gcc, because if certain distributions migrate
>> > to Clang, Gcc development will be over.
>> 
>> That rings a bell: it's what I heard 20 years ago about XEmacs vs GNU
>> Emacs when I talked (in person) to its main developers.  The rest is
>> history.
>
> I think it is still relevant. Big corps have learnt to ride the waves
> since then. Watch Microsoft "being friendly" to "open source" to the
> tune of $ 7 billion (if I remember correctly) they shelled out for
> Github (they didn't out of the goodness and warmth of their hearts:
> I, at least, don't believe in fairy tales). Watch Google (before that)
> editing out the "do no evil" while nobody seemed to be looking.

Money is in another place nowadays. It's not in the software they sell to users,
it's users they sell nowdays, or at least data they gather from users. I
wouldn't be surprised if they even give away OS for "free" one day; they already
do for the most part, just as they did with IE and other software, just so
people use it, or if they even go "open source" with it in some forseable
future; not a year or so, but 10? 15? Maybe sooner, when they can't sell it any
more; when new generation used to Android/iOS and gnu/Linux have grown up so
they don't care about MS Windows any more?

MS clearly had a vision (business plan) when they purchased Github and that AI
company and when they started VS Code. It took several years for outside world
to realize, but I think it is clear now, with codepilot. They want users, they
want people to create content on their platform, because people are money, not
the software they (micorosoft) create. They failed with Bing, but I think Github
+ AI company is their "Google search".




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-16 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20211211035616.984DD20A0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-12-11  4:17   ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-11  5:00     ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  5:29       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11  6:56         ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  7:14           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11  7:04       ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  8:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11  9:20           ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 11:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 12:36             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 12:49               ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 12:57                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:29                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 13:45                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 13:55                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 16:47                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 14:26             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-12  3:59             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:46               ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13  4:01                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  4:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-14  4:36                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-14  7:23                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  7:40                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-14  8:30                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  9:16                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 10:27                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 13:15                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 23:41                                         ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 14:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15  5:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  7:07                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:17                                 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:23                                   ` Contradictiory directions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:36                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:41                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:48                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:52                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:59                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  8:04                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  8:13                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  9:16                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-15  9:49                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  9:59                                                       ` tomas
2021-12-15 10:06                                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:25                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-15 12:31                                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 13:52                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 17:45                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2021-12-19  8:30                                                         ` tomas
2021-12-20  4:43                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  9:17                                                   ` Lele Gaifax
2021-12-15 12:39                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16  4:40                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  4:40                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 15:15                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:41                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  4:44                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-16  8:25                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 13:39                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-16 14:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 14:10                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-15 10:14                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:24                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 10:32                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:42                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:44                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 13:04                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 14:33                                               ` dick
2021-12-15 14:54                                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-17  4:23                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 14:54                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:04                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16  5:12                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 13:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 13:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 15:11                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:28                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 19:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-15 21:15                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16  7:13                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16  9:41                                               ` tomas
2021-12-16 10:09                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:34                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-16 14:18                                                 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-12-16 15:14                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-16 11:01                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 11:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:22                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-17  4:24                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  5:15                                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 13:36                                   ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 14:34                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 15:02                                     ` tomas
2021-12-15  7:26                               ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Po Lu
2021-12-16  4:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  8:33                                   ` tomas
2021-12-15 14:22                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:40                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 22:35                   ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15  5:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  7:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16  4:41                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  5:52                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-17  4:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19  4:57                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19  7:24                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16  9:33                           ` tomas
2021-12-12  5:07               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-12  5:17                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-12  5:20                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-13  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13  5:30                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  5:36                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-13  6:01                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  8:30                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-12 12:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12  4:00         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:00         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:48           ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  5:26     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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