From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 15:59:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB65775F1FEA1964F330B4A79D96D00@AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X/XMDBy8d7uMlLOJ@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:41:16 +0300")
Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> Example user experience with repology:
>
> 1. M-x load-file RET repology.el RET
> 2. M-x repology RET s search RET toys OK RET
>
> then I can find list like below.
>
> docbook-toys 5 - -
> etoys 40 5.0.2408 4.0.2340
>
> and many others. Then if I click on `etoys' I get list like:
>
> AUR etoys 5.0.2408 - fallback-mnt-aur@repology
> Debian Oldstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Debian Stable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Debian Testing etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Debian Unstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Deepin etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Devuan 1.0 (Jessie) etoys 4.0.2340 non-free/games jredrejo@debian.org holger@debian.org
> Devuan 2.0 (ASCII) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Devuan 3.0 (Beowulf) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Devuan 4.0 (Chimaera) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Devuan Unstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Kali Linux Rolling etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Pardus etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Parrot etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Raspbian Oldstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Raspbian Stable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
> Raspbian Testing etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk
>
> In the same manner I can stumble upon nvidia or other non-free
> graphics drivers, and plethora of other non-free software:
>
> Debian Stable Backports nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02
> non-free/misc pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org
> bluca@debian.org
> Debian Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> Debian Unstable nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> Devuan 4.0 (Chimaera) nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> Devuan Unstable nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> Kali Linux Rolling nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> MX Linux MX-17 Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02
> non-free/libs pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org
> bluca@debian.org
> MX Linux MX-19 Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02
> non-free/libs pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org
> bluca@debian.org
> Parrot nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
> Raspbian Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc
> pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org
>
> Most of times it will not say clearly "non-free" as I have just listed
> those from Debian non-free.
>
> GNU ELPA should not provide access to an indexed catalogue of non-free
> software.
>
> Jean
As I see, it says "non-free", so what is the problem?
I think it is rather informative to see if a piece of software is free
or not free, that way I can at least avoid non-free ones.
Are we now dogmatically religious where non-free software is forbidden
to even be mentioned as non-free? That smells to me as a slippery slope
into dogmatism and absolutism.
Is there free-speach if people are not allowed to speak freely about
some subject(s) like mentioning non-free software?
I think the problem for you is that you see that list as a
"recommendation list". If you instead interpret it as a "black list",
than having list of non-free software becomes a useful listing in terms
of things to avoid :-).
Cheers
/a
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-06 14:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-30 16:23 [ELPA] New package: repology.el Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-30 19:34 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-30 21:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-31 13:31 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 11:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-12-31 13:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-31 20:30 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-01 7:31 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-01 10:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-01 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-02 9:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-02 5:30 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 12:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 14:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 15:00 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 16:32 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-05 6:45 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 8:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 7:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 16:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-04 17:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-04 17:43 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 17:55 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-04 18:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-04 22:21 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2021-01-05 2:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-05 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 9:28 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-06 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 9:44 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 17:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-04 19:14 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-04 19:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-01-06 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-06 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-06 14:41 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 14:59 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-01-06 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 16:23 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-06 18:53 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-06 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 21:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-06 21:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 7:47 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 8:54 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 11:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 8:15 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-06 20:36 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-07 7:48 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 16:53 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-14 5:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:52 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-16 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 9:00 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 6:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 10:55 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 21:07 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-11 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 8:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-20 6:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-21 11:09 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-22 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-22 9:43 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-24 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 8:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 6:52 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 12:11 ` Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY
2021-01-25 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-27 7:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-25 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 18:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 3:40 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-26 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-27 18:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-25 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 13:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 5:59 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 13:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-27 7:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 10:53 ` Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: " Jean Louis
2021-01-24 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-24 19:12 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-24 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-24 20:36 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 16:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 16:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-26 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-28 6:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-28 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-29 6:36 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-24 20:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-25 17:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 17:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-25 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 3:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-26 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 20:10 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-26 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-24 20:46 ` tomas
2021-01-27 7:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 9:27 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-26 6:03 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 9:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-27 7:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-26 15:43 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-01-26 16:48 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-01-28 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-25 5:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-16 5:21 ` freedom issues in free software Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 15:05 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Stefan Monnier
2021-01-13 15:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 6:33 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-05 11:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 7:32 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-30 21:58 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v2) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-04 11:45 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v3) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-04 17:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-01-19 9:50 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el (v4) Nicolas Goaziou
2021-01-20 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
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