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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261364 Archived-At: --_000_AM0PR06MB65772B436AE18624CE58617D96C10AM0PR06MB6577eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think there is anything needed to refactor out of package.el; I don= 't see what is relevant to Emacs startup. As I see the parts for quickstart= are just for creation of quickstart file. I maybe misunderstand, I am just= glancing on my phone Is there any reason to require package.el at startup at all? I am not sure = where do I find how Emacs reads startup files and how entire startup goes, = will have to investigate :-). Btw, seems like quick starts does similar as I did, takes all auotoloads re= gardless if a package is activated or not. Maybe it could concatenatejust a= ctivated packages only? -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Stefan Monnier Datum: 2020-12-20 18:16 (GMT+01:00) Till: Arthur Miller Kopia: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: bug#30854: 27.0.50; Speeding up package.el startup >> Would you be interested in trying to split package.el into the "core >> part" needed for `package-activate-all` (and which we could then >> preload), and the rest? >> >> >> Stefan > I have arrived to this from slightly different direction: I did some > optimization as described in Emacs Doom Faq, and just noticed quickstart > file took some time, and looked and it's contents; so I am not really > introduced in what package.el does. It will take me some time to get > into it. > > In my own init I do rude directory-files listing to get all directories > in Elpa directory and I just add those to the path; but packages can be > installed in different places etc; so I will have to take a look at how i= t > is done and what is safe to do/assuem etc. What I'm proposing doesn't involve any of that: no need to reimplement anything. Just look at the existing code and move the relevant parts to a separate file. Stefan --_000_AM0PR06MB65772B436AE18624CE58617D96C10AM0PR06MB6577eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think there is anything needed to refactor out of= package.el; I don't see what is relevant to Emacs startup. As I see the pa= rts for quickstart are just for creation of quickstart file. I maybe misund= erstand, I am just glancing on my phone

Is there any reason to require package.el at startup at a= ll? I am not sure where do I find how Emacs reads startup files and how ent= ire startup goes, will have to investigate :-).

Btw, seems like quick starts does similar as I did, takes= all auotoloads regardless if a package is activated or not. Maybe it could= concatenatejust activated packages only?


-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Datum: 2020-12-20 18:16 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Kopia: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.o= rg
=C4mne: Re: bug#30854: 27.0.50; Speeding up package.el startup

>> Would you be interested in trying to spli= t package.el into the "core
>> part" needed for `package-activate-all` (and which we could t= hen
>> preload), and the rest?
>>
>>
>>         Stefan
> I have arrived to this from slightly different direction: I did some > optimization as described in Emacs Doom Faq, and just noticed quicksta= rt
> file took some time, and looked and it's contents; so I am not really<= br> > introduced in what package.el does. It will take me some time to get > into it.
>
> In my own init I do rude directory-files listing to get all directorie= s
> in Elpa directory and I just add those to the path; but packages can b= e
> installed in different places etc; so I will have to take a look at ho= w it
> is done and what is safe to do/assuem etc.

What I'm proposing doesn't involve any of that: no need to
reimplement anything.
Just look at the existing code and move the relevant parts to
a separate file.


        Stefan

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