From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:44:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB64202B40F0F7F59764A570FA96AA0@AM0PR06MB6420.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200429105233.GG24737@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:52:34 +0200")
tomas@tuxteam.de writes:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 01:33:08PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:17:55 +0200
>> > From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>> >
>> > > > * https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Association-Lists.html sometimes assoc,
>> > > > alist-get, assq, copy-alist. How am I supposed to use `C-h f alist TAB` to discover the function I want? I
>> > > > can't, I have to go to that webpage and read it all.
>> > >
>> > > I think "C-h d alist RET" is your friend.
>> >
>> > Yes, but :)
>> >
>> > For people with some roots in Lisp culture (I'm one of them,
>> > mind you), "alist" is obvious. It's an association list, duh.
>> > For newcomers... not so much.
>>
>> I was replying to the above, where the issue is that not all of the
>> functions' names begin with "alist". Evidently, this means the
>> "alist" obstacle was already overcome.
>
> In the concrete, yes. I still mull over the more general
> problem (without having a good idea, unfortunately).
>
> I just wanted to raise some awareness, since it's an
> ever-recurring pattern.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
I think you are completely right. API naming in Emacs could use some
more love. "Namespacing" probably can't be used for
everything, but it would be useful if stuff was prefixed by api
where possible. I would also find it usefull if names reflected
more of functionality where it can. I use helm and try to discover
API from the list of compeletions, but it does not work so well when
names are not really reflecting important differences. For example
make-process and call-process - which one was asynchronous? I have to
look it up in either comments in source or manual, because there is
nothing in the name that suggests which one to use.
Of course namespacing *everythign* is probably not possible, but
where possible I think namespacing and maybe more carefull choosen
names would help. It certainly can't make things worse.
I don't understand why so much resistence to your remark in rest of
answers.
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2020-04-28 13:01 [ELPA] New package: transient Jonas Bernoulli
[not found] ` <jwv4kt3d1r8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
2020-04-29 8:29 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 9:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:17 ` tomas
2020-04-29 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:52 ` tomas
2020-04-30 12:44 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-04-30 13:28 ` tomas
2020-04-30 14:26 ` Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 15:08 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:02 ` tomas
2020-04-30 2:30 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:09 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:11 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:59 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:09 ` Use elisp--xref-backend in *Apropos* and *Help* (Was Re: [ELPA] New package: transient) João Távora
2020-05-02 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 11:22 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:52 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:09 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:22 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 9:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:39 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:17 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:39 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:02 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:11 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:20 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:36 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:59 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:28 ` tomas
2020-05-02 12:22 ` tomas
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 14:57 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:42 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 7:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 19:46 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 22:04 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:10 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:37 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 19:12 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:44 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 18:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:00 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 22:13 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 21:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:03 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 15:11 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-03 15:28 ` C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:41 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 17:44 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:21 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 21:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 19:49 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 23:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 1:01 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 1:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 1:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 8:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:39 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:33 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 15:44 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:40 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 8:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-03 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:43 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:15 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:22 ` João Távora
2020-04-29 13:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:42 ` tomas
2020-04-29 13:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-29 19:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-29 19:24 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-29 14:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 19:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 22:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 3:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 3:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 15:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 16:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:06 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-30 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 17:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 19:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 11:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 12:38 ` tomas
2020-04-30 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 17:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:42 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:41 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:14 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:58 ` tomas
2020-04-30 19:13 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:33 ` tomas
2020-04-30 20:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 22:46 ` chad
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 8:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 22:04 ` Keeping it kind Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-01 7:17 ` tomas
2020-05-01 8:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:51 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 20:02 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-30 1:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 13:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 13:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 14:17 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-29 14:19 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-30 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 16:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-01 17:38 ` João Távora
2020-05-01 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-29 14:56 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-29 12:52 ` Adam Porter
2020-04-30 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 10:50 ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-01 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 5:36 ` Phil Sainty
2020-05-02 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 2:30 ` T.V Raman
2020-05-01 10:40 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-01 15:16 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
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