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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273835 Archived-At: > On Sep 2, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > That's only true for changes of the default behavior, and key bindings > are examples of such a change, at least the way they are proposed. > There was talk about introducing a minor mode which would then be free > to make controversial changes, including key bindings, but no one > stepped forward to write such a mode. Which I think is a pity, given > how easy it should be to do that, and how many problems and > frustrations it could potentially solve. There can even be a new mode for each new version of Emacs. And I = imagine a tutorial would just say =E2=80=9CM-x emacs-28-defaults-mode = RET to enable the sane defaults=E2=80=9D. How do we decide what is = turned on in that mode? If we know what to turn on, writing it is = trivial, no? Yuan=