From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs for new users Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:22:09 -0800 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <485b0c380911230905t6513e718w1dd804e18003228@mail.gmail.com> <6E092AF13796494BADEBCE2C5C0361CE@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259087438 8871 80.91.229.12 (24 Nov 2009 18:30:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: per@starback.se, rms@gnu.org, 'Stephen Eilert' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Lennart Borgman'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 19:30:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ND09e-0003Pm-Cq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:30:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32891 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ND09Y-0007If-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:30:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ND01x-0003Tj-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:25 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ND01s-0003Qn-Et for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49353 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ND01s-0003QX-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:20 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:42963 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ND01o-0007PA-1a; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:16 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAOIMEdg005257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:22:15 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAOIFbp8010035; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:24:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt017.oracle.com by acsmt356.oracle.com with ESMTP id 577207341259086927; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:22:07 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.185.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:22:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcptMOyr75aWJZ9ETTGygYgJGGgZPgAARTZw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4B0C2451.0133:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117697 Archived-At: > > I do not want to see minibuffer inputting become something > > strictly modal that locks you into some restricted dialog. > > Users should be able to go anywhere and > > do pretty much anything while the minibuffer is active. > > I said for new users. I know you did. I do not want to see the minibuffer becoming like that for new users either. > However I am not at all sure what states you can get into when you > leave minibuffer. What is allowed and what is not? Are you sure? Am I sure of what? Just try it. You can do whatever you like outside the minibuffer. Just move to another buffer (e.g. use `C-x o' or click `mouse-1' in another window) without exiting the minibuffer with `RET' or `C-g'. If you `enable-recursive-minibuffers', then you can even activate the minibuffer again (another level) - e.g. you can use `M-x' to invoke a command, then return to the previous state (previous minibuffer level).