From: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: last_marked array is now ifdef'ed away
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:05:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AEA4306D-3D9C-414A-A58E-2F0C68443257@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86a5gbk295.fsf@gnu.org>
13 sep. 2024 kl. 17.21 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> But if a user reports a crash inside GC, that's basically the only
> trace we have to try and understand what caused the crash, especially
> if the debug info was stripped. That's why this code was always on by
> default.
Yes, I understand that -- nevertheless it is a bit of a waste to spend time on something that is only rarely used (apparently it took over 2 years before anyone noticed, and I know you aren't one for keeping quiet about this sort of thing).
It surprised me how expensive this silly thing is: enabling GC_REMEMBER_LAST_MARKED made GC 4.5-6.5 % slower in some simple benchmarks, and the difference showed up in some actual useful work type of code that I measured.
And that is with LAST_MARKED_SIZE downgraded from the default 512 to just 16 which seemed more reasonable. (512 entries is 4 KiB of L1D cache which seems extravagant, but I presume the size wasn't given much thought at the time.)
Perhaps it's not a big surprise after all: the GC marking loop has data-dependent branches and data-dependent loads, and we are likely to be bound by instructions in flight rather than execution resources; maybe any added instructions and memory traffic will just make it worse.
> My main concern is not bitrot, it's actually being able to debug
> crashes inside GC.
I'm quite sympathetic to that goal but it would be good if we could do it more cheaply. You can inspect the mark_stack structure; I've found this to help quite a bit.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-14 17:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-07 6:05 last_marked array is now ifdef'ed away Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-12 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-13 14:43 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-09-13 15:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-14 17:05 ` Mattias Engdegård [this message]
2024-09-14 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-14 20:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-09-15 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-15 13:58 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-09-15 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-17 10:15 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-09-17 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-14 22:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-09-15 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-16 18:07 ` Andrea Corallo
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