From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Andrus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31xkue1.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87mw6tj8gp.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87sigifh44.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418658739 2933 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2014 15:52:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 16:52:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0XwR-0008NQ-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:52:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40376 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0XwQ-0005Uu-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:52:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0XwI-0005Ug-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:52:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0XwD-000062-1I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]:45589) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Xw5-0008WF-Oe; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:51:49 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id y20so11003573ier.18 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:51:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=iUriH1FIu3cOfoORjobSssPdfDHKW7hDNA0KLzC2ATU=; b=cu0sDWxIDBiyY9RNwXwqYooJgbPyeXvqiIV9Ve5y6pf4aF8hO6ZTrwGlmiUFTuEzG0 pDsjgt0uNXpQ/YVeest6M5Y8K1/jjBOKZUNloJQFYarmPoE25H+AaQxtEYG3zYCfBDok hlX27w2WF5uSSl6N5Z5TZjSfrN2Gzlxt9RIfV3bjJxO8Tu1x0FLEdTtDFnXEs7giYdFq T609dyahO8qgh7G51qbwV2WW98Kjwp34+5V1R3HfkgcS0argI4deqhgl7+wfHzNg4AtZ 4Ip1AsqSTrmZ2Nll6O7nhbsWzkg9jEdVeeYhz0d384OnweDkaxDHNKpniQI6lZAxosQA Ogag== X-Received: by 10.50.22.72 with SMTP id b8mr18152908igf.1.1418658708553; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:51:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.3] (75-162-219-130.slkc.qwest.net. [75.162.219.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f9sm4862446iod.24.2014.12.15.07.51.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:51:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180156 Archived-At: > On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > If someone takes a verbal shortcut and refers to that problem by > saying "client-side Javascript", would you please keep in mind that > the real issue is what I stated in the paragraph above? If you keep in mind that when I say Linux, I mean GNU/Linux. :-) IOW, words are important and IMHO you (i.e. the FSF) should make sure = that this issue framed accurately. The people following this thread = might understand and remember, but someone coming to the issue for the = first time will not. And they might mistakenly think, as I did until = recently, that you had an objection to javascript itself. -Ivan=