From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Raw" string literals for elisp Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:24:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4209edd83cfee7c84b2d75ebfcd38784fa21b23c.camel@crossproduct.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27171"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Anna Glasgall , Stefan Monnier , Emacs developers To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 08 20:26:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mO2HC-0006pM-AF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 20:26:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35142 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO2H6-0007Ig-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 14:26:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO2Fg-0006cS-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 14:24:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail33c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.43]:55138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mO2Fa-0006tr-Ry for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 14:24:49 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1631125479; bh=gReMLnSLetuZG+4YNwnwg3+pJ9RlsENSn/8/FsVRkgg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=ssFRk8jiYHgDLeAnXGRZ7bAnz9jqeIgLwNdhDpgxNuOd9GdLAt3Z1dT7nJcdfvPdj RHap4uadOGnqoWiyR2Vu0q2xHjMoEBGk00NsVOxA9Z8IzDFk47vt21Qz0lY+WWF7IU pTZMaflIzcM5UVEp3zVXhlOMtOYwGOl+4apw8AtE= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.tele2.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail33c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 188IOZFT031533; Wed, 8 Sep 2021 18:24:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F28.6138FFE7.003B, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.4 cv=O4xaADxW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6138ffe7 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=AdXd9nDpcWtmsG9U1W0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=91.136.10.43; envelope-from=mattiase@acm.org; helo=mail33c50.megamailservers.eu X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274380 Archived-At: 8 sep. 2021 kl. 18.01 skrev Alan Mackenzie : > It is more readable in the same way Cobol was very readable That comparison is absurdly wrong in many ways: Cobol is not considered = readable at all and it was made back when nobody knew how to design = languages. I could go on all day about a comparative design history of = Cobol, Rx and conventional regexp syntax but will spare you the boredom. Rx is actually not verbose, definitely not by Lisp standards. You can't = use it in CC Mode for reasons of compatibility and that's fine -- = engineers often work under constraints not of their own choosing. I do suggest you give it an honest try in a project where you are = permitted to do so. You will be better informed, better equipped to read = other people's code, and may come to like it. Even if you don't, you may = have something interesting to report from the attempt. And I'll be there to answer questions!