From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Verbosity patch for custom-load-symbol Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:27:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145712505 22140 80.91.229.2 (22 Apr 2006 13:28:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 22 15:28:23 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXI9l-0001ZG-OS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXI9a-0004BV-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FXI9M-00046p-NB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FXI9J-00044a-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXI9I-00044P-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:27:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXIB3-0006Ma-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:29:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [129.215.174.81] (helo=[129.215.174.81]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FXI990mtw-0005hq; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:27:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: Original-To: Emacs-Devel ' X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:f3c9a04d49beab9fcce37ffcb55ebfb9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53233 Archived-At: On 22 Apr 2006, at 13:03, Richard Stallman wrote: > Here is a little patch for custom.el which prevents it from > displaying unnecessary messages that can be confusing at times > (e.g. > "loading battery" when a user selects "Save Options"). > > Why do you think that hiding the loading message is important? > Is there some reason it is particularly confusing? Yes - it's information overload. Giving the user information they don't need is never a good idea, unless your product needs to be debugged and informational messages are important. I was actually asked why something like "battery" is loaded when they're just saving options. Calls to `require' don't show a "loaded.." message, so why should `custom-load-symbol' do so? > Why does it load files in order to save options? `custom-load-symbol' is called for every saved variable by `customize- mark-to-save', I believe in order to load its default. That was a fix for a bug that I reported a while ago. revision 1.122 date: 2006-02-20 15:59:51 +0000; author: cyd; state: Exp; lines: +2 -0 * custom.el (customize-mark-to-save, customize-mark-as-set): Load the symbol first.