From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sendmail.el bug or expected behavior? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:13:17 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <877jzn2lk8.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org> <16401.5059.249741.523854@chiark.greenend.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074871076 22299 80.91.224.253 (23 Jan 2004 15:17:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Simon Josefsson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 23 16:17:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ak345-0001tX-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:17:45 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ak344-0001Zq-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:17:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ak30s-0003z6-Bu for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:14:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Ak30h-0003wV-Ig for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:14:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Ak304-0003pB-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:14:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.115.192.53] (helo=mail2.norrnet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ak303-0003p1-Ey; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:13:35 -0500 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com (stubby.bodenonline.com [193.201.16.94]) by mail2.norrnet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 0F607EE7FE; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:13:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from accessno42.bodenonline.com (accessno42.bodenonline.com [193.201.16.44]) by stubby.bodenonline.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id i0NG5hpi001287; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:05:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <16401.5059.249741.523854@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Original-To: Ian Jackson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19456 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19456 > Simon Josefsson writes ("Re: sendmail.el bug or expected behavior?"): >> I suspect that if the MTA is trying to deliver the message to its >> final destination, then it may hang regardless of what MTA is used. > > IMO the correct way for a MUA to invoke sendmail (on Debian) is > /usr/sbin/sendmail -odb -oee ... > (To be portable to non-FHS systems, use /usr/lib/sendmail) > > This is supposed to > (a) queue the message, exiting non-0 if unsuccessful > (b) fork off a detached delivery attempt, which will > deliver the message, leave it queued, or bounce it, > as appropriate > (c) exit 0, leaving the delivery attempting going > > The problem that RMS mentions happens if you don't give any -odX > options: usually that means you'll get `foreground' delivery, which > typically means that the MTA will try one delivery attempt now. This may not do the right thing. It is not uncommon to not run any sendmail daemon, but just forward everything to another host. If we do it like this, the mail will never be delivered, but sit in the queue forever. Jan D.