From: MON KEY <monkey@sandpframing.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: DocView now supports OpenDocument & MS Office formats
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 02:29:26 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjK2Jpsgv-iZC3jvm7G_-q-dn5_VDuWzZD0aUQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1PZBtH-0001Z6-5j@fencepost.gnu.org>
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>>> The "service" is Free Software
>
>> Its LGPL free as in "Oracle"...
>
> Whatever you mean to say, could you please say it without sarcasm?
The intent wasn't to be sarcastic, irony perhaps.
Oracle is now the "benevolent dictator" overseeing the OO.org UNO SDK.
Oracle's stated intent is to supply the Oracle OpenOffice deliverables
with SaaS capabilities. This is not a theoretical matter, its
happening.
IMHO It does not seem unreasonable to assume that Oracle will leverage
its influence on the future protocols of UNO SDK to ensure that
OpenOffice becomes a front end to service running remotely outside the
users control but under Oracle's sphere of influence.
> I do not understand your point.
In order for an Emacs to gain ODF support via the proposed docview.el
interface one must leverage python/pyuno/UNO/OpenOffice/Java
The point is:
- interaction with the UNO bridge is not (necessarily) simple RPC;
- the UNO SDK is a poorly specified;
- Its protocol is compromised in lieu of the Sun/Oracle merger;
- asking Emacs users to embrace these dependencies just to gain ODF
support is tantamount to a tacit endorsement of Oracle's reframing
of software as service in a distributed manner;
- asking Emacs users to install the python/pyuno/UNO/OpenOffice/Java
dependencies just to gain ODF support is ironic given the extent to
which the Emacs-Devels have endeavored to keep the Emacs footprint
small;
> A service can't be free software because a service is not software.
This doesn't make any sense.
There is significant tension around the semantics of the term
"software" and the term "service". It isn't clear that you have
resolved these semantics satisfactorily yet.
> Richard Stallman
--
/s_P\
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-02 7:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-30 22:32 DocView now supports OpenDocument & MS Office formats MON KEY
2010-12-30 22:59 ` Jason Rumney
2010-12-31 2:12 ` MON KEY
2010-12-31 8:35 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-31 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-12-31 11:33 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-02 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-02 7:29 ` MON KEY [this message]
2011-01-02 22:11 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-03 4:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-04 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-04 4:35 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-04 5:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-03 8:25 ` MON KEY
2011-01-04 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-03 8:42 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-04 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-04 7:38 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-04 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-04 9:00 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-04 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 19:42 ` Eduard Wiebe
2011-01-06 18:42 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-07 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-08 21:54 ` Eduard Wiebe
2011-01-09 4:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-09 20:00 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-09 20:13 ` Eduard Wiebe
2011-01-04 20:36 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-04 21:07 ` Jambunathan K
2011-01-05 15:04 ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-04 21:17 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-05 2:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-05 7:38 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-05 12:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-20 7:32 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-05-06 12:53 ` Jambunathan K
2011-01-05 23:37 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-06 7:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-04 21:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-05 5:23 ` Miles Bader
2011-01-05 7:40 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-05-06 14:01 ` Jambunathan K
2011-01-03 13:04 ` CHENG Gao
2011-01-03 14:14 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-01-04 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-02 22:11 ` Richard Stallman
2010-12-31 8:08 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-31 16:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-01 0:06 ` MON KEY
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-12-30 14:07 Tassilo Horn
2010-12-30 14:30 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-30 14:50 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-30 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-12-30 15:48 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-30 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-12-30 18:10 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-05-06 15:30 ` Jambunathan K
2011-05-06 16:09 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-30 15:22 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-12-30 16:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-12-30 17:20 ` Tassilo Horn
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