From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Eilert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:47:22 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87630m1vnz.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87r5jaywvt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87lj9iyv98.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83bpaeumdx.fsf@gnu.org> <20100711150142.GB3134@muc.de> <834og6uduu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278939314 26808 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 12:55:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fplemma@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org, John Yates To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 14:55:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIXO-0006cu-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:55:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYIXN-0001dn-Lk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46164 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYITe-0000Tj-67 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIPw-0000op-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:45676) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIPt-0000nc-0W; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:47:25 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so5859026iwn.0 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:47:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mU9Bk2R8KvHtvSdTFsU9SPfvwH+BjDjTHRMtLUiJKH8=; b=blrtVq6xZAAp6OTOB+PfOmXEcRphIsox7OhlI5QGUzPwowjij2wPnm7cV2+zF7J7g3 ORM5nSghbARsqiYN3JTK2e4BZQOkX27VC73e27anIUVQslwK1x3+JMGD95xxW+GYI0cP tQWhhvtUE8Iph9d1mbSh+Q9C9W/s8SiMtUfjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J3FzQRAjYWW3vbWhzQ3LhKitRUr7cmyunbIOjqsbGoAu+H8q6OnuKa8OokcX4DRYI2 T38R7DfBVSwu4+9Y/9N2REzS5FBmNrHOLuVqI/DNJy/tq3zl3Pq8r8Jrx6C+jadbx3FH jLjshk0u+y+qAi5vEjyb61LzjbVBqjzmSa2tM= Original-Received: by 10.42.1.16 with SMTP id 16mr4323938ice.97.1278938842750; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.149.73 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:47:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127102 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > C++ is a badly designed and ugly language. =C2=A0It would be a shame > to use it in Emacs. > > The reason the GCC developers wanted to use it is for destructors > and generics. =C2=A0These aren't much use in Emacs, which has GC and in > which data types are handled at the Lisp level. > > Indeed, I am left wondering why it was even proposed in the first place. Moving to C++ would be nonsense and a step backwards. If we are willing to put so much effort on it, modernizing Elisp would be a better starting point. That's mostly invisible to users and not relevant to this discussion, however. -- Stephen Sent from my Emacs