From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bernardo Barros Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:22:56 -0300 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278634992 9925 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2010 00:23:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 00:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ken Hori , Dan Nicolaescu , "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: Fren Zeee Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 09 02:23:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX1Mz-0005kI-7T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 02:23:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OX1My-0003wa-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38907 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OX1Mr-0003vF-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:23:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX1Mq-0004DS-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:61199) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OX1Mo-0004Ck-7g; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:22:58 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so1105617gxk.0 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:22:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UeEsywGixdIbZGcWgIfBfNpxHW0av/3CEo7OaCHoXHY=; b=Pi2cdRB81zzdV6MahWRpzZJz8w+1uFhUsV3uTnID6wzCaRbFsTAbFe3svr34Fp8ss7 vNjnyYvKnaH8bzkQ/G61N73U6lCfLoBUMkBmR5Bm6/po+fI8/tCFiJfFOSDQ5gmtTfX7 /GjLGeHK7S6+xXx+RJHgzUWWFfpzA6IGQ4htY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=UVs/ouMXlPq3ZTZhK/RQsG34Hs7Knw0p+v3zCU5Nf45xkOIOotIBUavPHUqWS+ugEL FhAmXCMNtaJUt3baTfTb1ewRoUqSdbJQxqh7JpjOdj7Q01qKmxXxou7/i8IlIBjEcmeq ZJm8hGG72ys7sXGflZ6auOYzh+wSMd0GDxnWY= Original-Received: by 10.90.91.17 with SMTP id o17mr4111420agb.72.1278634976376; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.15 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126929 Archived-At: I think if a person stay some time with emacs he/she will find it fantastic. But I know people that just give up because they don't see all the things Emacs can do, they just see a text editor that is different from any standard, including the documentation terminology and shortcuts. It mentions keys that just don't exist anymore, have its own terminology for simple things like "copy" and "paste", and a lot of it'sa shortcuts where design to keyboards that are not manufactured anymore. But they could leave before they realise they can customize every bit of the program, and that this terminology has its charm after all. I don't know... maybe just taking a look at the keyboards, see how they really are today, and the largely used terminology shoud help a lot. 2010/7/8 Fren Zeee : > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >> >> Ken Hori writes: >> >> > I hate to ask pedestrian sort of a question >> > like this, but are there any efforts specifically to attract more users? > > Perhaps, by writing more colorful manuals more users could be attracted. :)) > > While on this topic, I googled for 15th edition of emacs.pdf but could > not find it. The 14th edition had blue hyperlinks but 16th is devoid > of it. A quick download link would be appreciated. Is there a page > where all the older official compiled version of emacs and its manuals > are stored ? Whats the command to check-out working sources for the > earliest compilable version of emacs ? I want to try that. I am > familiar with the following for example. > > svn checkout http://software.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ software-read-only > > Cheers > Franz Xe > >