From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Deprecate _emacs on Windows Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0B6A6EC5FD8F46D697F914FB2F6D4304@us.oracle.com> <655D5DBB48F04F719130122440CDA29B@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300844126 2265 80.91.229.12 (23 Mar 2011 01:35:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 01:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , Stefan Monnier , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 23 02:35:22 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2Cyn-0007nB-Uy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:35:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43093 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q2Cyn-0000lM-9g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:35:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39885 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q2Cyi-0000lF-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:35:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2Cyh-0000FE-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:35:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.213.169]:62806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2Cyh-0000F2-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: by yxt33 with SMTP id 33so4011897yxt.0 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:35:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tRGyN4PQh3+wt2PL2tjCU7HoAw0/iqOLyPt2iDi+G9s=; b=HzJEutee5xDw7f/WiZ22FoXkTgHqnp4yRPXmljKEeEL3uRL4Ca9ah/NznJ2pmHr10T pDesILUbkw8hqHSAYDwgOZw4jhAsEve0YojLxpXb2FBtYBXm4A9VC7CmfGMn2smrRTyl Zf+aZjerFEgspYL0HeuJ7CnRZVKQFbNdp1IYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PIgb3FDbatjqDjXOBxaUUDI0ueUIiTe7Dw9X+OJYsex0n53f9zAnaXvq3HjzmzSjUE FtjjKI0MIcMEjMQFUUDFopcyvEYunZNkZ+WsM7Wiv78rp+whTeK1uBe5Om/xkWHE/qvB q3bHYi4nkrjA6WY+37N3gjSr5zI/b65wnzzgs= Original-Received: by 10.146.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr564767yay.24.1300844114395; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.147.34.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <655D5DBB48F04F719130122440CDA29B@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.213.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137549 Archived-At: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 01:58, Drew Adams wrote: > (Or will you scour the user's hard drive for a `_emacs' file just so you = can > warn about it not having been used?) Yes, Drew, that's exactly what I will do, because in my free time I'm secretly a James Bond cat-petting villain. > Google "warning". =C2=A0Enjoy. Sorry, but I'm not convinced. Words mean what people use them to mean. > ad hominem, ad hominem. =C2=A0Sticks and stones... My comment wasn't an argument ad hominem; I don't think your arguments are incorrect because of who you are. I think you're using a lot (a *lot*) of patronizing, independently of the validity of your technical (sorry, political... sorry, social... antropological? philosophical? legal? historical?) arguments. > It's not about you, Juanma - and it's not about me. =C2=A0It's about the > pseudo-warning message, regardless of who is behind that initiative. Oh, yes, it is a bit about you, as you're the one royaly pissed by the warning... on behalf of some semi-mythical users that you somehow stand to protect. You know, that great contingent of / Emacs 24+ / Windows / users / having an _emacs init file /. > The message is not warning about anything. =C2=A0It's simply telling a us= er that > `_emacs' is deprecated. =C2=A0That's not a warning. =C2=A0There is no dan= ger. Of course there is a danger. The danger of the user upgrading to a new Emacs and failing to understand why their _emacs suddenly stopped working[1]. In fact, if we don't warn about it, some users will be caught unawares. [1] Yes, I'm using singular they. > We don't need to tell users this at Emacs startup - it's not a big deal t= hat > `_emacs' is being deprecated. =C2=A0Users are often frightened by "**WARN= ING**" - and > that's part of its effect. =C2=A0But there is no call for frightening use= rs here. They shouldn't be frightened. They should be warned. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma