From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Deprecate _emacs on Windows
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:34:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTimf8tp9RMgdrNLwni-WeyJtJkN-yYjHyqYrAsLi@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <655D5DBB48F04F719130122440CDA29B@us.oracle.com>
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 01:58, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> (Or will you scour the user's hard drive for a `_emacs' file just so you can
> warn about it not having been used?)
Yes, Drew, that's exactly what I will do, because in my free time I'm
secretly a James Bond cat-petting villain.
> Google "warning". Enjoy.
Sorry, but I'm not convinced. Words mean what people use them to mean.
> ad hominem, ad hominem. Sticks and stones...
My comment wasn't an argument ad hominem; I don't think your arguments
are incorrect because of who you are. I think you're using a lot (a
*lot*) of patronizing, independently of the validity of your technical
(sorry, political... sorry, social... antropological? philosophical?
legal? historical?) arguments.
> It's not about you, Juanma - and it's not about me. It's about the
> pseudo-warning message, regardless of who is behind that initiative.
Oh, yes, it is a bit about you, as you're the one royaly pissed by the
warning... on behalf of some semi-mythical users that you somehow
stand to protect. You know, that great contingent of / Emacs 24+ /
Windows / users / having an _emacs init file /.
> The message is not warning about anything. It's simply telling a user that
> `_emacs' is deprecated. That's not a warning. There is no danger.
Of course there is a danger. The danger of the user upgrading to a new
Emacs and failing to understand why their _emacs suddenly stopped
working[1]. In fact, if we don't warn about it, some users will be
caught unawares.
[1] Yes, I'm using singular they.
> We don't need to tell users this at Emacs startup - it's not a big deal that
> `_emacs' is being deprecated. Users are often frightened by "**WARNING**" - and
> that's part of its effect. But there is no call for frightening users here.
They shouldn't be frightened. They should be warned.
Juanma
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-23 1:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-12 21:54 Deprecate _emacs on Windows Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-12 22:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-12 22:48 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-12 22:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-12 23:03 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-12 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-13 4:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-13 4:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-22 20:38 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-22 20:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 0:12 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-23 0:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 0:58 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-23 1:34 ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2011-03-23 1:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-24 23:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-24 23:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 2:42 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-23 3:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 3:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-23 3:34 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 5:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-03-23 12:07 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 12:23 ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2011-03-23 12:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 13:36 ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2011-03-23 13:42 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-23 14:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-23 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-23 14:09 ` Drew Adams
2011-03-23 16:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-13 22:49 ` Chong Yidong
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