From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:30:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280781057 31388 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2010 20:30:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bernardo Barros , Ken Hori , "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 02 22:30:53 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1eu-000644-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:30:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53956 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Og1et-00044m-Sl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:30:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42847 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Og1en-00044h-2g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:30:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1em-000202-8w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:30:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:41231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1em-0001zx-6l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:30:44 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so2159702qwk.0 for ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+L4vQnDDVqK2u4j79wMz/7k+RP+wYc21DZuCMSfdrvU=; b=jyT1TZWe3axbV3Ir99INbm/3opPm04T3O3X0nVD79egjmaq0++EoZPe+ViY0QC2/OU tJ8o83oPYgu+bOL/KJNGQ57ZmgVaEpnliEAP1UsBYgq+kksFpNEItpu10Yr8ggLj1N94 q++mLa/5K3yDwH+fXQnl+dJNqoN0txvzomUtw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IOAMBoXMjXpBfivu8plMMusPnF58RVyBh4tUQVwvX/ZT4d9sUAwe8QCiB0uESu9ZAc dN7s3dA00D1brqpjs5Phu9e/NWyUIq6wnA+g/+VFApS+4pccftan3nQSgjgdTYyJrioz pvHFBJB4N+hFQ/895HL+943JUXapq/a2CPIpo= Original-Received: by 10.224.28.71 with SMTP id l7mr2112038qac.387.1280781043091; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:30:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128159 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> I'm not sure if Emacs is attracting new users the way it used to be. >>>> Certainly search volume has been going downhill for more than several = years >>>> (http://www.google.com/trends?q=3Demacs), >>> What are the units in the vertical direction? >> 1.0 is the mean of the period > > So units are a ratio w.r.t all the searches. =C2=A0Is there a way to know= the > actual number of searches to which this corresponds? =C2=A0This way we co= uld > tell whether the number of searches is also going down (since it might > still be going up if the ratio is going down slower than the total > number of searches increases). Seems like google does not want to display the absolute numbers: =C2=A0http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-trends-with-numbers.h= tml It also looks like Emacs is loosing ground to vim: =C2=A0http://www.google.com/trends?q=3Demacs,vim&ctab=3D0&geo=3Dall&date=3D= all&sort=3D0 Adding "eclipse" to the search shows that Eclipse is going up and that both vim and emacs are searched for much less .... Though the sun seems to be included in the eclipse searches. ;-)