From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PJ Weisberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:38:15 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87sjx7z7w4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pqsbmf6j.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4ijz07h.fsf@telefonica.net> <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> <57BF13882D6E494286547F293FE9D03B@us.oracle.com> <87lj2pfo81.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295059663 31454 80.91.229.12 (15 Jan 2011 02:47:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:47:43 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs-Devel devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 15 03:47:39 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdwAL-0008Kc-NC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:47:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60052 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PdwA3-0004T5-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:46:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37385 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pdw9w-0004PW-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pdw20-0007RV-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:38:21 -0500 Original-Received: from p3plsmtpa01-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.82.87]:37702) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pdw20-0007RP-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:38:20 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 30063 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2011 02:38:18 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (209.85.161.41) by p3plsmtpa01-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.87) with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2011 02:38:18 -0000 Original-Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3408171fxm.0 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:38:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.223.71.200 with SMTP id i8mr1503821faj.142.1295059096011; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:38:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.223.89.137 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:38:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134564 Archived-At: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > Slippery slope. =A0It won't be long before someone will complain that lib= rary > Foobar stomped on `M-f4', the universally recognized standard compulsory = model > key for deleting a window and quitting an app. Which is exactly what started this thread. The original question could be rephrased to "Why does Emacs stomp on `Alt+F4', the universally recognized standard compulsory model key for closing a window, by binding it to some function that prints ` is undefined'?" That's what Lennart meant when he said that Emacs binds Alt+F4 but doesn't use it. Other applications would pass it to Windows, resulting in the window being closed. Emacs overrides that behavior by eating the event and printing an error message. -PJ